tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post4110636037527983925..comments2024-03-27T11:32:34.392-07:00Comments on NOT A HOAX! NOT A DREAM!: FANTASTIC FOUR #260Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-68784399999641269772021-04-21T16:24:08.255-07:002021-04-21T16:24:08.255-07:00Iget peeved when a great writer(John Byrne)creates...Iget peeved when a great writer(John Byrne)creates an interesting character(like Marina,Madison Jeffries,"Smart Alec","Box"and the rest of"Omega Flight")with limitless potential,then some Millennial-age writer waltzes up and gives said character a complete(and inferior)"overhaul"with some cheesy,ill-conceived writing which seemed enacted to appeal to the Millennials who wouldn't know good writing if it fell out of a stealth-bomber and hit them in the jawwith a right cross!!Tireman Avenuerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08031971095142446871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-51571295315124106592018-06-05T22:46:43.580-07:002018-06-05T22:46:43.580-07:00Hi Matt! I’ve been perusing your blog with great e...Hi Matt! I’ve been perusing your blog with great enjoyment!<br />I felt I needed to comment on your final comment regarding a lack of backgrounds, a common criticism of John Byrne’s work and have noticed on occasion myself mostly in some of Byrne’s 90s and post millennium work. After taking a quick look at this issue I find that criticism ungrounded. There is one panel near the end of the story where the background is more or less a silhouette and I suppose some of the crowd shots could have had something way off in the distance, but no panel in this comic feels empty or lacking.<br />Thanks for blogging! I’ll keep on reading!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07930100200647482518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-50325597855709941402016-04-20T09:13:29.618-07:002016-04-20T09:13:29.618-07:00I really have no problem with the New Warriors bea...I really have no problem with the New Warriors beating Terrax/Tyros in their first outing, especially if he's in a weakened state (I haven't read the issue in years).<br /><br />Byrne, of course, <a href="http://m.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43531&PN=3&TPN=3" rel="nofollow">has his own thoughts on the matter</a>: "[Nicieza] brought back Terrax, after I'd had him consumed by the Power Cosmic. Pretty thorough way to get dead, I would have thought, even in the Marvel Universe.<br /><br />"Came back in the wrong borough, too!"Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-85715180331037000092016-04-20T09:07:06.787-07:002016-04-20T09:07:06.787-07:00Hmm, interesting. I've never really heard abou...Hmm, interesting. I've never really heard about Marvel, especially in this era, catering to the reprint market, but it's certainly possible.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-33973362807244151692016-04-20T04:55:16.543-07:002016-04-20T04:55:16.543-07:00I could be giving benefit of a doubt this time... ...I <i>could</i> be giving benefit of a doubt this time... but then Nicieza rolls in his KINGS OF PAIN Annuals event and Proteus, the <i>other</i> cherished villain of fame who saw his on-panel demise under Byrne's watch, and any possibility to it and to respecting anyone's perceived integrity evaporates like the integrity of Proteus when someone sticks two fistfuls of organic steel into him.<br /><br />Doom has shown us in #258 what happens when you take other people's great villains and use them like chumps. Apparently <i>someone</i> didn't learn the important lesson then, despite obviously having read the issue.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-40434509643874421002016-04-19T13:08:27.916-07:002016-04-19T13:08:27.916-07:00Whoah whoah whoah, I won't sit for the integri...Whoah whoah whoah, I won't sit for the integrity of the New Warriors being impugned! It wasn't actually Terrax, so I don't see why they can't manage to defeat him (which they did by lifting him off the ground), and the focus from the beginning is on character-building, not fights.Dobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08884152078310514684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-91386357743330894312016-04-19T08:38:06.096-07:002016-04-19T08:38:06.096-07:00Actually, I went to peek a bit ahead and this is n...Actually, I went to peek a bit ahead and this is no accident: our book printed the pages up to the one where Sue walks the Surfer to the infirmary and goes to the stairs, and then cuts into the page three in #261 where Sue is in stairs and walks directly to phone to the Avengers Mansion. It works seamlessly, except for the Surfer walking up asking if he can help (and I always chalked that up to his just healing awfully fast because of the cosmic power).<br /><br />The Namor bit may have been planned from the beginning to be easily removable for the convenience of international publishers and readers who didn't have ALPHA FLIGHT under publication for themselves. Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-33485998059562729202016-04-19T01:13:04.280-07:002016-04-19T01:13:04.280-07:00Tyros/Terrax dies this issue, a fate Byrne intende...<i>Tyros/Terrax dies this issue, a fate Byrne intended to be permanent (we see his body disintegrate and we’re told that “…the mortal form of the creature called Tyros boils away”). But Fabian Nicieza and Mark Bagley would resurrect him seven years later in NEW WARRIORS #1.</i><br /><br />In fairness, they did state explicitly that their Terrax was a "disembodied sentient energy form" in NW #1. And that's more fairness they ever deserved, because in terms of establishing your new fancyass super-crew, having a punch of kids take Terrax <i>of any condition</i> 1) out in 2) half an issue is utter nonsense and below even UXM #281; made even worse by the character assault on Avengers who show up stealing their thunder, because <i>everyone</i> knows when you take out a former herald of Galactus who's totally out of your own league in your own book the Avengers will be there to pat your back.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-20715345069247181042016-04-19T00:34:35.929-07:002016-04-19T00:34:35.929-07:00I love Aunt May commenting on the assumed powerful...I love Aunt May commenting on the assumed powerfullness of the FF, like this is the every day way talk the New Yorkers would comment of stuff like this happening in their world. When not being in pathological horror about mutants instead.<br /><br />I didn't find the Silver Surfer thing deus ex machina here at all, because 1) he's appeared in previous issue teaser, making his appearance here but expected and 2) needed, because Tyros seems to not be much short of what he was as Terrax and the FF sans Reed have little hope of even surviving the fight if a big cannon like the Surfer isn't rolled there, and 3) when it's all done here he'll have an elemental part in the Reed's disappearance shenanigans sort-out. Our anthology book though had all this printed in one 116-pages issue so to me it was a page flip rather than a month's wait. They did omit the Namor bits, but I think that's for the embetterment of the story and seeing the pages now seem a bit extraneous. At the same time I feel a bit cheated about that though, cos I like my Marvel Universe huge and interconnected.<br /><br />I absolutely love the high-speed beard-grab the Surfer performs on Tyros here, and love it even more in retrospect because INFINITY GAUNTLET will see he try it again on the other purple-skinned dude, who ducks.Teemunoreply@blogger.com