tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post1810303161085765685..comments2024-03-27T11:32:34.392-07:00Comments on NOT A HOAX! NOT A DREAM!: AVENGERS BY BUSIEK & PÉREZ - REMINISCENCESMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-24315836999891405662017-10-30T13:48:00.214-07:002017-10-30T13:48:00.214-07:00Don't worry about it; any comment that takes a...Don't worry about it; any comment that takes a shot at Bendis is more than welcome here, regardless of how late it arrives.<br /><br />Good call -- I probably should have actually looked at the sales figures before making my comments above. Now that you mention it, I do recall the "Heroes Return" books -- at least AVENGERS and, I think, CAPTAIN AMERICA -- residing near the top of WIZARD's chart fairly consistently as they were initially coming out.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-510632335647461372017-10-27T12:07:32.365-07:002017-10-27T12:07:32.365-07:00Sorry to comment on something almost a month old, ...Sorry to comment on something almost a month old, but I haven't visited in awhile and this is the first thing I've been super invested in. <br /><br />Avengers feeling important also jumped it up the sales charts. While you're right that X-Men was in a league of its own, picking a month at random (July 1999), when the book was on issue 20, Avengers was the 6th biggest selling book of the month, behind only 3 X-Men books, an Image first issue, and Spawn (with Spidey's first appearance at #13). This is what drove me nuts about everyone that acted like Bendis' awful team writing was an inevitability: there was a market for good, dense comics, even in the age of Spawn and X-books, but the idea of having big talent on a top team book was clearly working. I believe sales dropped when the book couldn't get a regular artist to replace Perez (and the Kang arc didn't quite work, in part due to multiple artists), but it was right there with Marvel Knights' Daredevil as a book outselling its traditional market share for a long time.Dobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08884152078310514684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-21213124558327172552017-10-04T16:45:58.583-07:002017-10-04T16:45:58.583-07:00Probably a bit of each. The Jemas/Quesada continui...Probably a bit of each. The Jemas/Quesada continuity-light approach was completely counter to the way Busiek had been writing the series. Also, my own opinion is that when Pérez left, Busiek lost some of his enthusiasm. I really think Pérez was a huge factor in what made the series so good, and, aside from the six-issue stint by Alan Davis, the subsequent artists never quite recaptured what he brought to the proceedings.<br /><br />(Which isn't to say they were all bad -- I enjoyed Kieron Dwyer's stuff, but it just wasn't the same.)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-58310096056584417332017-10-03T21:45:06.012-07:002017-10-03T21:45:06.012-07:00The Busiek run did go downhill towards the end, wi...The Busiek run did go downhill towards the end, with the never-ending "Kang War" story.<br />I think Busiek either was getting burnt-out by the book, or it had something to do with Bill Jemas taking over at Marvel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-86708000019624532782017-10-03T15:21:19.048-07:002017-10-03T15:21:19.048-07:00I should note that I've only read the Busiek/C...I should note that I've only read the Busiek/Chen IRON MAN one time, as it was coming out, and never again since. It's been on my re-read list for ages -- I even bought the Omnibus years ago -- but I just haven't gotten around to it yet.<br /><br />I should also note that I've read precious little IRON MAN in general. I started following it for the first time with "Heroes Reborn" and continued to read it with the Busiek/Chen run. I kept up with the Joe Quesada run that followed, and eventually dropped it during the subsequent Frank Tieri era. And the only extended run I've read that precedes Busiek is the first Michelinie/Layton period. I've read some of O'Neil, which didn't do a lot for me, and some of Michelinie/Layton II, which I enjoyed quite a bit. Someday I'll read O'Neil, though. Marvel has one more Epic Collection to go until the whole thing is collected, then I'll give it a go.<br /><br />Based on my recollections of Busiek/Chen, I can think of two major reasons why it didn't jump out at me: one, Tony Stark didn't feel especially rich. He worked out of his home office and ran a little startup called Stark Solutions. I much prefer seeing Tony as an obscenely wealthy jet-setter, something Michelinie and Layton did very well.<br /><br />And two -- I just thought the armor Sean Chen designed was U-G-L-Y. It was all big and bulky, and I've always hated Iron Man with a horned mask. Give me a sleek, streamlined Iron Man any day over that monstrosity!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-82417191411089576632017-10-03T15:14:55.870-07:002017-10-03T15:14:55.870-07:00I can kind of understand what you're getting a...I can kind of understand what you're getting at. As much as I adore this run, it's not for everybody. My best friend also read it as it came out, and he didn't care for it much at all. For him, a lot of the stuff I described above as positives -- the Bronze Age throwback style, the heavy continuity -- were actually negatives. I guess it's a case of "to each their own," but this run is practically flawless as far as I'm concerned.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-80446596019380405092017-10-03T12:32:49.794-07:002017-10-03T12:32:49.794-07:00I'm surprised you didn't enjoy Busiek'...I'm surprised you didn't enjoy Busiek's run on Iron Man.<br />It was the last time I've enjoyed the Iron Man comic, and I rank it as the third best run on Iron Man, after Denny O'Neil and Bill Mantlo.<br /><br />I'm not as big a fan of the two Micheline runs as most, it had its moments, but I didn't love it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-24609097840371881542017-10-03T07:20:18.315-07:002017-10-03T07:20:18.315-07:00After many years I decided to read once again Aven...After many years I decided to read once again Avengers vol. 3 run and now I'm around issue 32 (Count Nefaria saga). In a way I'm happy to notice how farther the Avengers' myth was extended since than. Around year 2000 they were most likely on top, nonetheless the Busiek/Perez duo could have done much better than what they really produced. There were too many feeble moments and characters between top notch moments to really enjoy their run as I would expect from two great artists like them.<br />Cheers<br />Fabiofabiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17301977159138226946noreply@blogger.com