tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post3478911577094236141..comments2024-03-27T11:32:34.392-07:00Comments on NOT A HOAX! NOT A DREAM!: WOLVERINE & GAMBIT: VICTIMSMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-17536458245763004672015-01-14T08:38:35.607-08:002015-01-14T08:38:35.607-08:00I actually like the divide between Claremont and p...I actually like the divide between Claremont and post-Claremont. 1991 onward drew heavily on stuff he had written, but it's really like a completely different series and that's one of the things I enjoy about it. It was basically a "soft" reboot of the franchise.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-48652871783564080062015-01-14T08:37:31.059-08:002015-01-14T08:37:31.059-08:00Sorry, I meant from a creative standpoint. His mi...Sorry, I meant from a creative standpoint. His mission within the comics was originally to hunt down the escapees, but that was really just a means to get him to our time and kick off the "X-traitor" storyline.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-50815744839557565952015-01-14T05:11:36.328-08:002015-01-14T05:11:36.328-08:00"Bishop came back in time in the 280s to solv..."Bishop came back in time in the 280s to solve that mystery"<br /><br />No, he didn't. He was chasing down criminals from the future who escaped back to our time. That was how he ended up in our time. I think it might have been quietly retconned in the lead-up to Onslaught that he came back to solve the traitor mystery, but it wasn't the initial reason he came back. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-71876776369831000522015-01-13T13:21:42.801-08:002015-01-13T13:21:42.801-08:00I just realized two things:
1) I didn't actua...I just realized two things:<br /><br />1) I didn't actually really get to read the year between now that I look it up. The Legion Quest blew up not only the timeline but also the publication of our X-book, and we only got AoA and few pesky issues following it in "Special" one-shots and our Marvel anthology book before Onslaught. Which whole thing contributes heavily to my antipathy to the era, following me dropping off trying to actively follow what little X-Men (well comics really) we got soon enough afterwards though I continued subscribing the anthology book out of habit.<br /><br />2) Things getting picked up in Onslaught are from post-Claremont era, the immediate at that with the "traitor" plot. It was Lobdell's stuff all the way through? Kind of too clearly divides between Claremont and post-Claremont X-Men for my taste. Creative team changes is something so... late 90'sTeemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-82824115040817002622015-01-13T10:06:23.331-08:002015-01-13T10:06:23.331-08:00Well remember, I'm not talking about the "...Well remember, I'm not talking about the "Onslaught" event or its execution here; I'm specifically speaking about the year of X-MEN and UNCANNY X-MEN <b>between</b> "Age of Apocalypse" and "Onslaught". As far as "Onslaught" goes, there were definitely some missteps -- the most prominent being not knowing what "Onslaught" was when they introduced the concept. I will give credit for what the character ultimately turned out to be, though -- whatever you think about the event and and behind-the-scenes goings-on, the concept of Professor X corrupted by Magneto's consciousness, tying all the way back to "Fatal Attractions" years earlier (and even further back to Xavier's dark side as seen in UXM #106), was a novel idea and a good use of past continuity.<br /><br />But, that said, would I have preferred the "traitor" angle was handled differently? Of course! Bishop came back in time in the 280s to solve that mystery, immediately identified Gambit as the villain, and then let the subject lie for about fifty issues! That storyline should've been resolved in a year, tops, and they should have just gone with Gambit, but unfortunately his popularity made that impossible.<br /><br />As for the rest -- it really does depend upon how and when you got into the series. If you became a regular reader during the 180s-210s, then certainly punk Storm and absentee Cyclops are the status quo you most identify with. For me, as much as I love the Byrne/Cockrum/Claremont stuff -- my favorite comic book run of all time is UXM 94 - 176 -- those aren't "my" X-Men. The group and status quo that is dearest to me is this one: Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Wolverine, Beast, Bishop, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Archangel, Iceman, etc. all living in the mansion together with Professor X in his hover chair. So any story from this era automatically wins at least some points from me simply for existing.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-8973025770457673302015-01-13T09:12:20.515-08:002015-01-13T09:12:20.515-08:00That's the problem right there. For me the pow...That's the problem right there. For me the powerless punk Storm is the quintessential version of the character, Cyclops is someone circling at the outer spheres of the X-world (in other worlds I managed to jump in precisely the tiny window when Scott was living his intended-by-Claremont retired married life) and his daughter is perhaps the most important character ever.<br /><br />For someone else, because of timing reasons, the recording of Jeanie fatally failing to escape the one who BETRAYED the X-Men might be a moment of importance, but to me it's a horrible horrible misstep that never should have been taken.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-2198094995631081362015-01-12T10:30:42.160-08:002015-01-12T10:30:42.160-08:00I own all those issues and I've read them more...I own all those issues and I've read them more than once, but I'm actually one of the people who has little interest after 175 (176 actually, as that contains the beginning of Cyclops's never-ending honeymoon). When Cyclops leaves and Storm goes punk, the X-Men just lose much of their appeal for me.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-82317294659324909462015-01-12T07:12:22.102-08:002015-01-12T07:12:22.102-08:00The X-Men are awesome characters with insane amoun...The X-Men are awesome characters with insane amount of back story that is essential comics history which hits the new reader into face like a sledgehammer and is forevermore associated with those first year's or so worth of X-Men comics. You see people online saying they bailed out at ~#175 because it got tedious but no one can still convince me that the bit from #199 to #214 isn't the best bit ever.Teemunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-90537157518048929512015-01-11T19:10:18.973-08:002015-01-11T19:10:18.973-08:00Yes, I get that response a lot. I don't know w...Yes, I get that response a lot. I don't know what to say, though. Certainly part of it is nostalgia. I got into the X-Men around "X-Cutioner's Song", but only reading X-MEN and not UNCANNY (unless there was a crossover). I became really invested beginning with "Phalanx Covenant", which was only a few months before AoA, which led directly into the year preceding "Onslaught". I picked up the UNCANNY with unconscious Juggernaut on the cover and kept on reading it along with X-MEN for the rest of the nineties.<br /><br />Once I get the third “Road to Onslaught” trade, I’m thinking about a post to elaborate upon this, since your reaction is pretty much universal.<br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580725636327122073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105844689832543332.post-80393236236207569832015-01-11T07:37:58.255-08:002015-01-11T07:37:58.255-08:00"the year between "Age of Apocalypse&quo..."the year between "Age of Apocalypse" and "Onslaught", one of my favorite points in X-Men history"<br /><br />Interesting. That is probably one of my least favorite points. wwk5dnoreply@blogger.com